My Honda has been very reliable thru 50K – no repairs other than normal
maintenance.

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luke.l.tal…@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (southluke) wrote:
> > GUEST wrote:
> > Hello,

> > I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
> > never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
> > Here’s my dilemma-
> > I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
> > after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed
>when
> > new.
> > I think most manufacturer’s cars today drive well when new, but
>some
> > age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).

> > Ken

>I don’t think every Honda makes it 200,000 miles, and
>for many different reasons.  The reliability of cars is statisical in
>nature.  That is why J. D. Powers and most others provide statisical
>data when trying to quantify the reliability of cars.  They provide
>statements like number of defects per 100 cars or some such thing
>like that.

>If you read their reports, Honda has been rating much higher than
>Hyundai.  Also, for consumer reports they poll owners and ask what
>problems they have had over various periods of time.  Again Honda’s
>appear better.

>I had the graduate level statisics courses and does this mean your
>Hyundai will not last longer than my Honda?  NO!

>The bottom line is you pay your money and you take your chances.
>Stistically, though, you have better odds of getting a reliable car
>with a Honda.  I have had three Honda vehicles and received
>outstanding service from them.  I only have a sample of one Hyundai
>and it has been pretty good but less than stellar.  And I have not
>been happy at all with the warranty responses from the dealer and
>Hyundai America.

>This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
>previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.

>And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
>models.  Hyundai’s were about like Yugo’s in 1984.

>Luke

 > Hello,
 >
 > I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
 > never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
 > Here’s my dilemma-
 > I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
 > after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed
when
 > new.
 > I think most manufacturer’s cars today drive well when new, but
some
 > age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).
 >
 > Ken

I don’t think every Honda makes it 200,000 miles, and
for many different reasons.  The reliability of cars is statisical in
nature.  That is why J. D. Powers and most others provide statisical
data when trying to quantify the reliability of cars.  They provide
statements like number of defects per 100 cars or some such thing
like that.

If you read their reports, Honda has been rating much higher than
Hyundai.  Also, for consumer reports they poll owners and ask what
problems they have had over various periods of time.  Again Honda’s
appear better.

I had the graduate level statisics courses and does this mean your
Hyundai will not last longer than my Honda?  NO!

The bottom line is you pay your money and you take your chances.
Stistically, though, you have better odds of getting a reliable car
with a Honda.  I have had three Honda vehicles and received
outstanding service from them.  I only have a sample of one Hyundai
and it has been pretty good but less than stellar.  And I have not
been happy at all with the warranty responses from the dealer and
Hyundai America.

This is as objective an answer as I can come up with to defend my
previous postings stating I will buy a Honda next time.

And by the way, 1984 models are not a very good comparison for todays
models.  Hyundai’s were about like Yugo’s in 1984.

Luke

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> razz wrote:
> > Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes
had
> > worn  at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda’s reliability, pure shit. Never,
ever,
> > will I buy a Honda  again.
> > "Matt Whiting" <whit…@epix.net> wrote in message
> > news:HebSi.396$2n4.19895@news1.epix.net…
> >> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> "southluke" <luke.l.tal…@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
> > message
> >>>>   Honda’s last 200,000 miles.
> >>> Every single one of them?

> >> My 84 Accord didn’t even make 80,000 miles before the engine had to
have
> >> a top-end replacement.

> >> Matt

> That is the same problem I had.  My 84 Accord had the cam lobes and
> rocker arm pads self destruct at 70,000 miles.  Had to replace the cam
> and full set of rockers, but no way could I ever get all of the crud out
> of the engine so I traded it as soon as it was repaired on a new 89
> Plymouth Acclaim.  That vehicle was rock solid and ran 146,000 miles
> with zero engine problems … and then my wife hit a deer and totaled it.

> What year was your Accord?

> Matt

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> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:46:52 GMT, "Eric G."
> <NgOrSePeAn…@Zoptonline.Znet> wrote:

>>I
>>had the brake squeak before and that turned out to be a need for
>>grease on the caliper bolts.  I have the squeak again and it is likely
>>the same issue.

> I’m having the same problem. It doesn’t happen when I hit the brakes
> though, it happens when the car is moving. A high pitched squeaking
> coming from the wheel (in front) It only started after I had the brake
> pads and rotors replaced. Grease the bolts, huh? I’ll tell my
> mechanic. He thought it may be the struts when he heard it. I thought
> it was maybe a wheel bearing but he said no way. He said if it was a
> bearing it would be more of a grinding sound. Did you have to remove
> the entire caliper bolts and grease them? Thanks for the info.

> Brian

Yes, you do need to remove the bolt because they have mini rubber boots
over them to try to keep debris out.  Very simple to do actually.

Eric

P.S. – The sqeak I have happens just as you describe.

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> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > "southluke" <luke.l.tal…@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
message
> >>   Honda’s last 200,000 miles.

> > Every single one of them?

> My 84 Accord didn’t even make 80,000 miles before the engine had to have
> a top-end replacement.

> Matt

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razz wrote:
> Our Honda Accord made 35000 miles before we trashed it. The cam lobes had
> worn  at 35000 miles? Come on, Honda’s reliability, pure shit. Never, ever,
> will I buy a Honda  again.
> "Matt Whiting" <whit…@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:HebSi.396$2n4.19895@news1.epix.net…
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "southluke" <luke.l.tal…@boeing-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote in
> message
>>>>   Honda’s last 200,000 miles.
>>> Every single one of them?

>> My 84 Accord didn’t even make 80,000 miles before the engine had to have
>> a top-end replacement.

>> Matt

That is the same problem I had.  My 84 Accord had the cam lobes and
rocker arm pads self destruct at 70,000 miles.  Had to replace the cam
and full set of rockers, but no way could I ever get all of the crud out
of the engine so I traded it as soon as it was repaired on a new 89
Plymouth Acclaim.  That vehicle was rock solid and ran 146,000 miles
with zero engine problems … and then my wife hit a deer and totaled it.

What year was your Accord?

Matt

> Every single one of them?

My 84 Accord didn’t even make 80,000 miles before the engine had to have
a top-end replacement.

Matt

> Hello,

> I am considering buying a 2007 Hyundai Sonata (V6 engine). I have
> never owned a Hyundai but read positive things about their cars.
> Here’s my dilemma-
> I would love to hear from owners about how a Hyndai Sonata performs
> after it has a few years on it compared to how the car performed when
> new.
> I think most manufacturer’s cars today drive well when new, but some
> age sooner compared to the Japanese cars (IMHO).

> Ken

We have two 2007 NF Elites in our fleet
I prefer the 4   as it is averaging 7.7 litres per 100 kM  now is
coming into our hot weather here in AU
and consumtion up to about 8.9 per 100 KM

80% of driving on dirt roads

The car is the most dust proof vehicle I have ever driven Much better
than BMW & Honda
Given that it "flies" over heavily rutted roads at average of 100 KMPH
last month has 41000 KM on it since March 23 2007

Have tried hard but can not fault this vehicle  the NF is a far nicer
car than any previous Hyundai  all round.
Can not reccomend this vehicle highly enough .
The boss cleaned up a roo in His Holden Statesman at about 90KMPH
result $13000 damage  ( no the airbags diid not deploy so the cost was
all panel & paint)

I had a "coming together" with an Even Bigger male red roo   on dirt
road at about 115 Kmph on a sweeper bend with ore truck coming other
way  so was a bit of a white knuckle change the undies moment .
 Awful loud bang and CRUNCH sound
 though oh here we go another 10+K off the budget ———

Can send the pics of the Damage !!! $85.00 for crack repair to the
griill and under pan cracked so body repair just plastic welded it and
replaced reatining clips .

Truly AMAZING Vehicle

Only fault was on delivery day CD changer failed and they replaced at
first service and flew part to the bush ——- Hyundai Australia head
office followed up and even sent $ to replace chewed up disk !!!!
If you send mail to spamlister at gmail dot com happy to supply pics

I have yet to receive such excellent service from any other
manufacture of anything ( Intel and HP take note )

One complaint I do have is the fitment of OEM tyres to Australian
vehicles Dunlop SP 270 Series 225/50/17  European silica compound
They drive superb  But wear like blazes  front set chewed out at 18000
Kms  (Australian dirt roads and tarmac temps of high 70 c ) test any
tyre
Replaced them with Kuhmos and Hankooks now no more Problems .

This Korean gear   is as we say here " is the ducks Guts " Means in
Aussie speak  top of the line .
Mate if you are unhappy with a 07 Sonata  reckon you are bloody hard
to please

Strangely there are still those who knock Sonatas  maybe bad
experiences or bias towards previous models (some of it deservedly so
_ )

Our fleet  consists of Big Holdens Hyundais Mistubishi (yuk) many
Toyotas  a couple of Volvos and  Fords (called falcons here) and the
Sonata’s running costs are the cheapest in the fleet .
The drivers (who when heard they were being put into them including
myself said dont want any of that Korean Crap ) well now apologise to
the make as they are truly OUTSTANDING  given what we do to them and
driving conditions .

Common sense and  company rules is that we check and blow out the dust
from the air filters end of each week is about the only non scheduled
service performed on the whole fleet ( red dust here is full of FE and
tests show 60.9 FE content of the dust) basicly powdered Iron  and
more than one local has paid the price for being slack and ended up
dusting engines (stupid noddy some how put the air filter in arse up
and allowed unfiltered air straight into the engine = oops ! )

IMO you should have  trouble free and very comfortable and safe
driving experience . The vehicles on these dirt roads get driven hard
and quick and are as sure footed as one could wish for (apart from
constant 4wd subi’s)

Polen filters in air conditioning DO WORK  and the seals etc keep all
the hot air and dust and other nasties out .

Windscreens here get broken regularly  due to opposing traffic
throwing up rocks etc —– either by luck or strength  having copped
more than my fair share of rocks have not done one it yet  only cars
witjout a history of screens are the 3 Hyundais —we are still trying
to work out why this blip in the stats but not complaining

At night (here looking to find fault)  the lights  run out of road
so we slow down to 100 Ks ( wild life considerations) .
The ABS and dynamics of the suspension and handling  mean that if you
prang one you have been driving like a clot . They handle far better
than they should for the price  even in the rare instance of rain on
greasy muddy roads chewed up by road trains  (see –
http://www.kimberleyaustralia.com/image-files/gibb-river-road-picture...
&  http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/9b.jpg
& http://www.framecraft.com.au/images/october/31b.jpg) for what a
Aussie road train is  you may begin to appreciate  just how we punish
our vehicles here.

The cars are so good  for the first time when we turn these over (at
75000) I shall buy the one I am currently in for the wife  ———
they ARE THAT GOOD .

And I have noting to do with Hyundai I just drive the buggers into the
ground but heck they are hard to kill these things
Enjoy  happy and above all safe motoring with one if you eventually
choose one

Cheers From Australia

Every single one of them?

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> Have a 2002 Sonata.  It has been a pretty good car.
> Have received better reliability and longevity from Honda.  They also
> have better feel to drive.  Hyundai America refused to repair my
> brakes under the bumper-to-bumber warranty even though the car was
> still covered.

Did you read your waranty manual?

Normal wear on brakes is rarely covered under any manufacturers’
bumper-to-bumper warranty.

The 2007 language (not unique to Hyundai or 2007) reads in part:

"Normal maintenance items (#) are warranted in normal service, only when
replacement is the result of a defect in material or factory workmanship,
for 12 months from the date of original delivery or 12,000 miles, whichever
occurs first. …..

# – such as belts, brake pads and linings, clutch linings,……….."

Again this is common across the industry.